Miljølov skal dirke dokumentskabet op for Boeing

Miljøoplysningsloven er en af de ting, som skal være med til at skaffe Boeing aktindsigt i de dokumenter om kampflyevalueringsarbejdet, som den amerikanske kampflyproducent så hjertens gerne vil have udleveret.

Det stod klart på den første af to retsdage i sagen om Boeings adgang til aktindsigt i dokumenter om kampflyevalueringsarbejdet hos Forsvarsministeriet, Forsvarsministeriets Materiel- og Indkøbsstyrelse (FMI) samt Værnsfælles Forsvarskommando (VFK). Dokumenter, som Boeing skal bruge til at vurdere om der er basis for at køre en sag mod Danmark omkring selve evalueringen af Boeings F/A-18F Super Hornet-fly, der som bekendt deltog i den danske kampflykonkurrence.

Boeing anmodede om aktindsigt i september 2016, men valgte i marts 2017 at stævne Danmark, da man mente, at det gik for langsomt med at få de rette dokumenter udleveret. Det er så den stævning, som har mundet ud i retsmøderne i Københavns Byret mandag og tirsdag.

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    KimE

    Den frysta federala budgeten tvingar DSCA att visa det offererade priset för f35a för Belgien, 34 plan + fyra extra motorer för $6,53b eller $190m/styck.
    http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/190048/federal-shutdown-forces-us-to-reveal-cost-of-f_35-offer-to-belgium.html

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    Jan Nielsen

    Av for nogle priser; hvordan mon det kommer til at gå med det danske køb:
    This notification also confirms the unit cost of an F-35A is $190 million – over twice the $85 million price that Lockheed is still claiming – and which is very close to the $206 million that we determined for Lot 5 aircraft being delivered in 2017.
    And those $190 million do not include the cost of ground equipment and weapons – both things that are required for a warplane to fly combat missions.
    So far, governments in Italy, Norway, Denmark and the UK swallowed the Pentagon’s bait, along with its hook, line and sinker, but they did not know the true cost of the planes they were buying.
    Even the UK government, which is the largest non-US F-35 partner, still cannot tell Parliament how much they cost.
    http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/190048/federal-shutdown-forces-us-to-reveal-cost-of-f_35-offer-to-belgium.html

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    Thomas F

    Nuværende priser med motor.

    The most recent LRIP 10 contract reflects an average airframe unit cost approximately 8 percent lower than the LRIP 9 contract signed in 2016 and an approximate 62 percent reduction since LRIP 1. LRIP 10 Aircraft Costs (including jet, engine and fee) are:

    76 F-35As CTOL - $94.3 million (7.3% reduction from Lot 9)
    12 F-35Bs STOVL - $122.4 million (6.7% reduction from Lot 9)
    2 F-35Cs CV - $121.2 million (7.9% reduction from Lot 9)
    The U.S. Government, Lockheed Martin and the F-35 industrial team continue to collaborate to further reduce F-35 costs for future production lots.

    In 2014, the DoD announced an industry-led effort called “Blueprint for Affordability” and expanded the effort in 2016 from a $1.8 billion to a $4 billion savings initiative. The goal of these programs is to drive the cost of an F-35A to less than $85 million in 2019, where it will be equivalent to, or less, than any 4th-generation fighter.

    https://www.f35.com/about/cost

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    Thomas F

    @ Jan Nielsen, som jeg læser det, er de 192 millioner$ nærmest all inclusive.

    The Government of Belgium has requested to buy thirty-four (34) F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Conventional Take Off and Landing (CTOL) aircraft, and -- thirty-eight (38) Pratt & Whitney F-135 engines (34 installed, 4 spares).

    Also included are Electronic Warfare Systems; Command, Control, Communications, Computer and Intelligence/Communications, Navigational, and Identification (C4I/CNI); Autonomic Logistics Global Support System (ALGS); Autonomic Logistics Information System (ALIS); Full Mission Trainer; Weapons Employment Capability, and other Subsystems, Features, and Capabilities; F-35 unique infrared flares; Reprogramming center; F-35 Performance Based Logistics; software development/integration; aircraft ferry and tanker support; support equipment; tools and test equipment; communications equipment; spares and repair parts; personnel training and training equipment; publications and technical documents; U.S. Government and contractor engineering and logistics personnel services; and other related elements of logistics and program support.

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    GD

    Briganti fra Defense-aerospace er ude i konspirationsteorier og klovnerier. Han tager en oplysning, der kræver en forståelse af kontekst han ikke har eller ikke vil bruge for at fortolke, og broderer så frit en historie oven på for at bekræfte hans eget synspunkt.

    Man kan ikke bruge DSCA meddelelserne til meget andet end at konstatere at moderne kampfly koster kassen. De kan heller ikke sammelignes med hinanden, da der fx kan være dele af driften i anskaffelsesfasen inkluderet mht. Belgien. Det kan der også være for Super Hornets til Canada.

    Tag for eksempel dette eksempel
    34 F-35A til Belgien $6,53 mia
    18 Super Hornet til Canada $5.23 mia

    http://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/government-canada-fa-18ef-super-hornet-aircraft-support

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    Svend-Erik Hansen

    @ Thomas F

    Nej, prisen er netop uden alle de ekstra omkostninger, der f.eks. gør de norske fly så dyre. Udvikling af JSM, base ombygninger, realvækst osv.

    Det er simpelthen prisen for et fly med det systemer og de ting, der skal bruges til at gøre det operativt som træning, manualer og simulatorer.

    Derudover er der PBL (Performance Based Logistics), som Danmark også har valgt og aircraft ferry and tanker support til overførslen af flyene.

    Du kan i øvrigt se i det danske aktstykke, hvad vi betaler for PBL løsningen. Vi skal betale for det, men reservedele og udstyr forbliver amerikansk ejet.

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    Thomas F

    @svend-Erik
    Alt hvad der står oven for er inklusiv i de 192 millioner$

    Prisen for et f-35 i 2017 var 94,3 og forventet pris i 2019 85...

    Det er for ævrigt da en super god service at amerikanerne vil tage omkostningen med at lagerføre vores reservedele.

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    Svend-Erik Hansen

    @ Thomas F

    Ja, det er flyet med dets systemer, simulatorer, manualer osv. Danmark regner også disse ting med i indkøbsprisen.

    Herudover kommer alle de andre omkostninger som f.eks. base ombygning. De er indeholdt i levetidsomkostningerne.

    Når LM oplyser om prisen (85-95 mio. dollars), er det kun for flystellet, indvendige systemer og motoren.

    Du har vist misforstået den amerikanske "service".

    De nøjes ikke med at "lagerføre" reservedelene og udstyr. De ejer dem, selvom vi har betalt til dem.

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    GD

    Klippeklip med sidste nyt fra Canada sagaen featuring Trudeau m.fl.

    Amateur Hour: The Interim Super Hornet Saga and the Perils of Prioritizing Politics Over Defence


    The Foreign Military Sale (FMS) response gave a very different story, which corroborated the findings of DND, the 2014 NFPS report, and foreign assessments like the one undertaken by the Danish government. It showed a per-unit cost of the aircraft at approximately US $120 million per aircraft, with the total contract coming to US $5.7 billion. This was significantly higher than the oft-quoted US $65 million per unit. Boeing and its allies attempted to mitigate the damage. In the immediate aftermath, the company gave a press briefing where they claimed the FMS cost was artificially inflated, and the actual contract cost would be much lower. On 19 September, a leak revealed a letter by a number of suppliers with ties to Boeing urging the government to continue with the sale (Canadian Press 2017). The efforts had little effect. ***The government could not understand the incongruence between what they had expected the Super Hornet to cost and the reality.*** Consequently, several officials were sent to the US government to gain clarification. They reported the costing was accurate. This alone may have ended the deal, as the government at this point started to move forward on the Australian purchase. It was overshadowed, however, by what occurred next.

    https://macdonaldlaurier.ca/files/pdf/MLICommentary_Shimooka_Jan2018_webreadyF.pdf

    ***mit highlight***